POSS England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 @ ancestry
Name: Ellis Roberts
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1816 (IGI says 20 dec)
Birth Place: Llannor, Carnarvonshire, Wales
Father: Evan Roberts; Mother: Mary Roberts
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1816
Baptism Place: Pentre Uchaf Capel, Carnarvonshire, Wales
Denomination: Calvinistic Methodist
Piece Title: Piece 3873: Llanfair, Dwygyfylchi (Calvinistic Methodist), 1804-1837
==but the mother’s name is not the same as on 1851==
in same batch in the IGI C10367-1 Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
John Roberts birth: 5 July 1814
christening: 6 Aug 1814 PENTRE-UCHA CALVINISTIC METHODIST, LLANNOR, CAERNARVON
father: Evan Roberts & mother: Mary Roberts
and
Evan Roberts birth: 23 May 1820
christening: 4 June 1820 PENTRE-UCHA CALVINISTIC METHODIST, LLANNOR, CAERNARVON
father: Evan Roberts & mother: Mary Roberts
and
Jane Roberts birth: 22 May 1822
christening: 4 June 1822 PENTRE-UCHA CALVINISTIC METHODIST, LLANNOR, CAERNARVON
father: Evan Roberts & mother: Mary Roberts
and
William Roberts birth: 6 April 1824
christening: 25 Apr 1824 PENTRE-UCHA CALVINISTIC METHODIST, LLANNOR, CAERNARVON
father: Evan Roberts; mother: Mary Roberts
and
Anne Roberts birth: 17 June 1826
christening: 9 July 1826 PENTRE-UCHA CALVINISTIC METHODIST, LLANNOR, CAERNARVON
father: Evan Roberts & mother: Mary Roberts
and
David Roberts birth: 19 August 1828
christening: 24 Aug 1828 PENTRE-UCHA CALVINISTIC METHODIST, LLANNOR, CAERNARVON
father: Evan Roberts & mother: Mary Roberts
and
Eleanor Roberts birth: 28 December 1830
christening: 21 Jan 1831 PENTRE-UCHA CALVINISTIC METHODIST, LLANNOR, CAERNARVON
father: Evan Roberts & mother: Mary Roberts
and the family on the 1841
1841UKC Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llannor District 9; image 6 of 7 @ancestry
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1390; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Llannor; County: Caernarvonshire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 40; Page: 9; Line: 7; GSU roll: 464314
Civil Parish: Llannor; Hundred: Dinlaen
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Pwllheli
Piece: 1390; Book: 7; Folio: 40; Page Number: 9
place Baraks
Household Members:
Evan Roberts 50 JOINER b 1791
Mary Roberts 50 b 1791
David Roberts 12
Anne Roberts 11
Ellinor Roberts 9 b abt 1832
Robert Jones 7
all b in county


birthplace on the census
1851 Llannor, Caernarvonshire; residing Llanbeblig
1861 Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire; residing Llanbeblig
1871 Llannor, Caernarfonshire; residing Llanbeblig
1881 Llannor, Caernarvonshire

1841UKC?

looking for 1st marr:
-Robert reports b Caernarvonshire in all census
-marriage to Mary Lloyd in Caernarvonshire (District Carnarvon)
-per 1851UKC 3 children from 1st marr (residing District Carnarvon)
James Roberts b 1843 in Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire
per GRO no James b 1843 +/-2yrs in District Carnarvon
also none in in Ffestiniog
Only 1 in PWLLHELI:
ROBERTS, JAMES mother’s maiden name ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in PWLLHELI UNION Volume 27 Page 375
but no sister Jane (apparent twin)
Jane Roberts b 1843 in Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire - too many
Mary Roberts b abt 1845 in Pannorfa, Caernarvonshire - too many
=1st marr should be before 1842, likely in Caernarvonshire
7 POSS FreeBMD
1. Marriages Sep 1837 (>99%)
ROBERTS Ellis Pwllheli 27 391
MORRIS Jane Pwllheli 27 391
2. Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%)
ROBERTS Ellis Bangor &c 27 425
DAVIES Mary Bangor &c. 27 425
EVAN(s) Catherine Bangor &c. 27 425
JONES Ann Bangor &c. 27 425
PARRY Jane Bangor &c. 27 425
3. Marriages Dec 1839 (>99%)
ROBERTS Ellis Festiniog 27 255
GRIFFITH Mary Ffestiniog 27 255
JONES Catherine Festiniog 27 255
MORGANS Laura Festiniog 27 255
WILLIAMS Mary Festiniog 27 255
4. Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%) Not likely
ROBERTS Ellis Pwllheli 27 211
The page number is not within the range expected for the district Pwllheli
Dolgelly spans the boundaries of the counties of Montgomeryshire and Merionethshire
DAVIES Ellinor Dolgelly 27 211
JONES Mary Dolgelly 27 211
OWEN Anne Dolgelly 27 211
ROBERTS Ellinor Dollgelly 27 211
5. Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
ROBERTS Ellis Pwllheli 27 521
Pwllheli is in the county of Caernarvonshire;
the main market town and unofficial capital of the Llyn Peninsula
HUGHES Mary Pwllheli 27 521
ROBERTS Jane Pwllheli 27 521
6. Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
ROBERTS Ellis Pwllheli 27 487
HUGHES Eleanor Pwllheli 27 487
JONES Mary Pwllheli 27 487
JONES Sarah Pwllheli 27 487
7. Marriages Jun 1841 (>99%) (already have this cert!)
actually Ellis Roberts and Jane Owens
ROBERTS Ellis Festiniog 27 241
OWENS Jane Festiniog 27 241
app # 7032925-1; cert # WMXZ 365101
1841 Marr solemnized at Trawsfynydd in the Parish of Trawsfynydd in the County of Merioneth
no 51; may 15th
Eliis Roberts, 35, bachelor, labourer; resides LLainwen;
Father Robert Ellis; Cwen yr afon in the parish of Llanbedr
Jane Owens, 38, spinster, at home with parents, resides Brynglas; Father William Owen, blacksmith
Marr in the Parish church acc to the R&C of the Estab Church by me David Williams, Rector
both made mark
Witnesses: William Owen & John Jones
8. Marriages Jun 1842 (>99%)
ROBERTS Ellis Festiniog 27 277
JONES Elizabeth Festiniog 27 277
OWEN Elizabeth Festiniog 27 277
ROBERTS Catherine Festiniog 27 277
WILLIAMS Catherine Festiniog 27 277
9. Marriages Dec 1842 (>99%)
Roberts Ellis Festiniog 27 287
DAVIES Elizabeth Festiniog 27 287
EVANS Anne Festiniog 27 287
JONES Catharine Festiniog 27 287
PARRY Jane Festiniog 27 287
10. Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%)
Roberts Ellis Pwllheli 27 443
HUGHES Catherine Pwllheli 27 443
LEWIS Laura Pwllheli 27 443
Williams Cathrine Pwllheli 27 443
Williams Mary Pwllheli 27 443

What if Ellis was widowed? there is a large break between 1st 3 children and Elizabeth
marriage would be later than expected YES!
FreeBMD Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
Lloyd Mary Carnarvon 27 549
Roberts Ellis Carnarvon 27 549
application # 9309322/27
certificate # WMXZ 406453
1850 Marriage solemnized at the Carnarvon Register Office in the District of Carnarvon in the Counties of Carnarvon & Anglesey
no 91; 13 oct 1850
Ellis Roberts; of full age; WIDOWER, labourer; residing Mount Pleasant, Carnarvon; Made Mark
father Evan Roberts, Wheelwright
Mary Lloyd, of full age, spinster; residing Pentre Newydd, Carnarvon; Made Mark
father Evan Lloyd, Mason
Married in the Register Offica before me Robert Williams, Registrar
also John Thomas, Superintendent Registrar
Witnesses: Rowland Jones & Mary Hughes (made mark)

1851UKC Ellis Roberts & family; Wales Census > Caernarvonshire > Llanbeblig > District 1h; image 4 of 37 @ancestry.com; Civil Parish or Township: Llanbeblig; Ecclesiastical parish: East Ward; Town: Caernarvon; County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Source information: HO107/2516;
Registration district: Carnarvon; Sub-registration district: Carnarvon; ED, institution, or vessel: 1h; Folio: 141; Page: 4; Household schedule number: 17; GSU Number: 104289-104290;
14 North Penrault
Household Members:
Ellis Roberts b abt 1817 in Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales, Head
Mary Roberts b abt 1818 in Llanwnda, Caernarvonshire, Wales, Wife
James Roberts b abt 1843 in Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales, Son
Jane Roberts b abt 1843 in Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales, Daughter
Mary Roberts b abt 1845 in Pannorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales, Daughter
Jane Roberts b abt 1773 in Hullan, Denbighshire, Mother “stone mason’s widow”
6 other lodgers - originally listed as “VISITORS”
John Jones 57 widower, farm labourer, b Llanllyfore
Owen Jones 62 marr shoemaker b Denio, Caernarvonshire
John Roberts 43 marr b abt 1808 in Denio shoemaker
Edward Lloyd 33 unmarr Sawyer b Hullan, Denbigh
Henry Decsony 35 mar woollen cloth hawker b Ireland
John Decsony 11 scholar b Ireland

1861UKC Ellis Roberts & Family; Wales Census > Caernarvonshire > Llanbeblig > District 8; image 14 of 30 @ancestry.com; Source information: RG9/4343;
Registration district: Carnarvon; Sub-registration district: Carnarvon; ED, institution, or vessel: 8; Folio: 31; Page: 14; Household schedule number: 85; GSU Number: 543271
Household Members:
Ellis Roberts, HOH, b.1817 in Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary Roberts, Wife, b.1818 in Llanor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Elizabeth Roberts, Daughter, b.1853 in Llanwnda, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Margaret Roberts, Daughter, b.1855 in Llanwnda, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Evan Roberts, Son, b.1857 in Llanwnda, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Ellin Roberts, Daughter, b.1860 in Llanwnda, Caernarvonshire, Wales
John Owen, Lodger, b.1804 in Criccieth, Caernarvonshire, Wales

1871UKC Ellis Roberts & fam; Wales census, Caervaronshire, LLanbeblig, district 8, pg 22, image 22-23 of 33 @ancestry.com; Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5720; Folio: 66; Page: 22; GSU roll: 875590.
Civil parish Llanbeblig; Town Caernarvon
County/Island Caernarvonshire; Country Wales
Registration district Carnarvon
Sub-registration district Carnarvon
ED, institution, or vessel 8
Household schedule number 140
Piece 5720; Folio 66; Page number 22
#13 South Penrallt
Household Members:
Ellis Roberts 54 b 1817 Llannor, Caernarfonshire
Mary Roberts 53
Elizabeth Roberts 18
Margaret Roberts 16
Evan Roberts 14
Ellin Roberts 11
John Roberts 9
Owen Jones 33 Lodger
Owen Jones 34 Lodger
Richard Williams 34 lodger on pg 23
William Roberts 24 lodger on pg 23

1881UKC Caernarvonshire > Llanllechid > District 8 > 10; image 10 of 48 @ancestry.com; Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5579; Folio: 8; Page: 10; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342340.
Llanllechid, Caernarvon, Wales, fam hist film 1342340, RG11, piece 5579, folio 8, pg 10
#63 Carneddi Rd
Household Members:
Ellis Roberts 64 b Llannor, Caernarvonshire Quarryman
Mary Roberts 63
John Roberts 18
Ellen Roberts 20
Mary Buckingham 3 b 1878 Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales

GRO Death ordered 27 may 2018
ROBERTS, ELLIS age 68
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 11B Page 351
Superintendent Registrar’s District Carnarvon
Registrar’s District Llanrug
1881 DEATHS in the Sub-District of Llanrug in the County of Carnarvon
no 42
2 may 1881 Bryn Coch RSD Llanrug
Ellis Roberts, male, 68 yrs, Slate quarry labourer
CoD Disease of the Heart 2 years certified by John Jones MRCS
informant the mark of Catherine Humphreys present at the Death Cae Newydd Llanrug


***
interesting FreeREG Marriage
could groom name be reversed? earlier than expected
County Denbighshire; Place Henllan
Church name St Sadwrn; Register type Parish Register
Marriage date 08 May 1837
Groom forename Robert; Groom surname ELLIS
Bride forename Mary; Bride surname LLOYD

NO! NO! NO! FreeBMD Marriages Jun 1841 (>99%)
ROBERTS Ellis Festiniog 27 241
LLOYD Mary Festiniog 27 241
actually Ellis Roberts and Jane Owens

NO! Marriage June 1852 Ellis Roberts DECLINED
spouse first name Mary? (these should be the parents of Elizabeth Roberts, see below)
both around age 35
Festiniog, vol 11b, pg 808


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looking in 1851 for POSS brothers
Roberts b 1817 +/-5yrs in Llannor

Ellis Roberts (mom Jane, wife Mary)
b abt 1817 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
residing Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire
*
Griffith Roberts (wife Mary)
b abt 1814 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
residing Llannor, Caernarvonshire

John Roberts
b abt 1814 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head
residing Llannor, Caernarvonshire

Griffith Roberts (parents Griffith & Margaret)
b abt 1816 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Son
residing Llannor, Caernarvonshire

Owen Roberts (wife Laura)
b abt 1817 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
residing Llannor, Caernarvonshire

Griffith Roberts (wife Elizabeth)
b abt 1819 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
residing Llannor, Caernarvonshire

Hugh Roberts (wife Catherine)
b abt 1819 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head
residing Llannor, Caernarvonshire

Thomas Roberts
b abt 1820 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Lodger Llannor, Caernarvonshire

William Roberts (wife Anne)
b abt 1822 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head
residing Llannor, Caernarvonshire
*
William Roberts (wife Ann)
b abt 1812 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
residing Denio, Caernarvonshire

David Roberts
b abt 1818 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Servant in Denio, Caernarvonshire

Robert Roberts (wife Mary )
b abt 1819 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head
residing Denio, Caernarvonshire

John Roberts (wofe Jane)
b abt 1822 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head
residing Denio, Caernarvonshire
*
Robert Roberts (wife Mary)
b abt 1814 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
residing Llanfihangel Bachellaeth, Caernarvonshire
*
Robert Roberts (parents John & Catherin)
b abt 1821 Llannor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Son
residing Pistill, Caernarvonshire






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looking in 1841
Ellis Roberts b 1816 +/-2yrs in Caernarvonshire
5 possibilities

1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Criccieth District 2; image 5 of 6
Ellis Roberts b abt 1816 Caernarvonshire; Criccieth, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Criccieth; Hundred: Evionydd
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country:Wales
Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Criccieth
Jane Roberts 55 farmer b Caernarvonshire
Robert Roberts 30
Ellis Roberts 25
Jane Roberts 20
Eleanor Ellis 20 female servant
Margaret Jones 20 female servant
Evan Humphreys 30 ag lab
Thomas Jones 25 ag lab
Thomas Peterson 30 ag lab
Ebenezer Rowland 15 ag lab

1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llan armon District 15; image 6 of 7
Ellis Roberts b abt 1814 Caernarvonshire; Llan armon, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Llan armon; Hundred: Evionydd
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Criccieth
Evan Roberts 59 ag lab b 1782 (per Ellis’ MC he should be a wheelwright)
Dorothy Roberts 58 b 1783 (if so, who is Jane Roberts, mother from 1851??)
Ellis Roberts 27
John Roberts 17 shoe maker ap
Jane Roberts 13
Margaret Roberts 11
Mary Roberts 72
poss IGI Baptism; Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Ellis Roberts; Gender Male
Christening Date 06 Feb 1814
Christening Place LLANYSTUMDWY,CAERNARVON,WALES
Father's Name Evan Roberts
Mother's Name Dorothy
Citing this Record "Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1YP-9FH : 11 February 2018), Ellis Roberts, 06 Feb 1814; citing LLANYSTUMDWY,CAERNARVON,WALES, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 104,579.

1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Bryn Croes District 8; image 9 of 11
Ellis Roberts b abt 1816 in Caernarvonshire; Bryn Croes, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Bryn Croes; Hundred: Commitmaen
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Pwllheli
Sub-registration district: Aberdaron
Elizabeth Ellis 55 Ind
Ellis Roberts 25 ag lab
Jane Roberts 25
Jane Roberts 5
Thomas Roberts 3
Elizabeth Roberts 1

IGI England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Ellis Roberts; Gender Male
Event Type Census; Event Date 1841
Event Place Abererch, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Residence Note Peny Clogwyn
Age 20-24; Age (Original) 20
Birth Year (Estimated) 1817-1821
Birthplace Caernarvonshire
Registration District Pwllheli
Parish Abererch; County Caernarvonshire
Page Number 4
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1390/6
Household
Ellis Roberts M 20-24 Caernarvonshire
Ellinor Roberts F 20-24 Caernarvonshire
William Roberts M 0 Caernarvonshire
Citing this Record "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch

IGI England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Ellis Roberts; Gender Male
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Residence Note Tynrallt
Age 20-24; Age (Original) 20
Birth Year (Estimated) 1817-1821
Birthplace Caernarvonshire
Registration District Festiniog
Parish Penmorfa
County Caernarvonshire
Page Number 9
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1391/47
Household
Ellis Roberts M 20-24 Caernarvonshire
Catherine Roberts F 25-29 Caernarvonshire
Citing this Record "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch

NO 1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llan llechid District 2; image 9 of 18
Elis Roberts b abt 1816 Caernarvonshire; Llan llechid, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Llan llechid; Hundred: Uchaf
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Bangor and Beaumaris
Sub-registration district: Llanllechid
Elis Roberts 25 quarryman
Anne Roberts 20
Margaret Roberts 1
again on 1851 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llanllechid District 1b; image 9 of 36
Civil Parish or Township: Llanllechid
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanllechid
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Bangor
Sub-registration district: Bangor
Elis Roberts 36 quarry man; b Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire
Anne Roberts 32
Margaret Roberts 10
Elizabeth Roberts 7
Joshua Jennings 36 lodger miner
William Blaney 25 lodger miner
William Richards 20 lodger miner
NO 1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llan llyfni District 8; image 5 of 11
Ellis Roberts b abt 1816 Caernarvonshire; Llan llyfni, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Llan llyfni; Hundred: Uwch Gorfai
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Caernarvon
Sub-registration district: Llandwrog
William Roberts 60 Farmer
Mery Roberts 60
Robert Williams 35
Ellis Roberts 25
Thomas Roberts 20
John Roberts 7
Mary Roberts 25
Jane Roberts 20
NO 1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llan llechid District 7; image 3 of 11
Elis Proberts b abt 1816 Caernarvonshire; Llan llechid, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Llan llechid; Hundred: Uchaf
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Bangor and Beaumaris
Sub-registration district: Llanllechid
John Proberts 55 Weaver
Elis Proberts 25 weaver
Thomas Proberts 20 weaver
Elisebth Proberts 25
Eline Proberts 5
Catern Proberts 3
Elisebth Proberts 1
Richd Hughes 15
1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llan llyfni District 9; image 2 of 8
Elias Roberts b abt 1816 Caernarvonshire; Llan llyfni, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Llan llyfni; Hundred: Uwch Gorfai
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Caernarvon
Sub-registration district: Llandwrog
Elias Roberts 25 labourer
Catherine Roberts 25
Elizabeth Roberts 1 Mo
1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llan llyfni District 9; image 4 of 8
Elias Roberts b abt 1816 Caernarvonshire; Llan llyfni, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Llan llyfni; Hundred: Uwch Gorfai
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Caernarvon
Sub-registration district: Llandwrog
Elias Roberts 25 slate/gen man
Griffith Roberts 13 ag lab
Sarah Roberts 30 female servant
1841 Wales Census; Caernarvonshire Llan degai District 19; image 10 of 11
Elias Roberts b abt 1818 Caernarvonshire; Llan degai, Caernarvonshire
Civil Parish: Llan degai; Hundred: Uchaf
County/Island: Caernarvonshire; Country: Wales
Registration district: Bangor and Beaumaris
Sub-registration district: Bangor
Elias Roberts 23 miner - not born in Caernarvonshire!
John Williams 32
William Hughes 23
Hugh Williams 25
Evan Williams 22