name per dau Sarah’s 1860 MC to Elijah Davis; OCC ironminer; no indication he is deceased


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I think all the 1841UKc& 1851UKc are the wrong family - consistantly OCC carpenter
I need to make an unattached family to store this information

POSS Birth
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 @ancestry.com
Name: John Howells; Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 Jan 1803
Baptism Date: 23 May 1803
Baptism Place: Madeley,Shropshire,England
Father: John Howells; Mother: Margaret
FHL Film Number: 992317

POSS IGI Marriage JOHN HOWELLS Male
Spouse: MARY ANN ELLIS
Marriage: 25 DEC 1832  Madeley, Shropshire, England
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
Source Information: Batch No.:M033791 Dates:1645 - 1675; 1695 - 1837 Source Call No.:0510669 Type:Film Printout Call No.:6908694; NONE Type: Film Sheet: 00
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find my past marriage
Name(s) Mary Ann Ellis
Residence Madeley
Marriage year 1832
Marriage date 25 Dec 1832
Marriage place Madeley
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's name(s) John Howells
Spouse's residence Madeley
County Shropshire
Register date range 1813-1835
Archive reference P180/A/3/6
Page 249
Register type Marriage
Record set Shropshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, England

Find my past Banns
First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Ellis
Banns year 1832
Banns date 09 Dec 1832
Marriage year -
Denomination Anglican
Parish Madeley
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Howell
County Shropshire
Archive Reference P180/A/5/1
Register Type Banns
Register Date Range 1823-1837
Page 75
Record set Shropshire Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, England

1841UKC John Howeels and Family; England Census > Shropshire > Madeley > District 2; image 7 of 9 @ancestry.com; Source Citation: Class: HO107; Civil Parish: Madeley; County: Shropshire; Enumeration District: 2; Page: 13; Line: 17; GSU roll: 474591.
Civil Parish: Madeley
Hundred: Wenlock (Shrewsbury Liberties)
County/Island: Shropshire; Country: England
Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
Piece:928; Book:12; Folio:28; Page Number:13
dwelling: “Lincoln HIll”
Household Members
John Howells 37 abt 1804 Shropshire joiner
Mary Howells 36 abt 1805 Shropshire
Edwin Howells 5 abt 1836 Shropshire
Sarah Howells abt 1840 Shropshire?? age 7 not age 1, this is a transcription error

1851UKC John Howells and Family; England Census > Shropshire > Madeley > District 3k; image 33 of 84 @ancestry.com; Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1989; Folio: 297; Page: 33; GSU roll: 87390.
Household Members
John Howells 47 b 1804 Barcheston, Shropshire carpenter
Mary A Howells 46 b 1805 Madeley, Shropshire
Edwin Howells 15 b 1836 Madeley, Shropshire
Mary A Howells 6 b 1845 Madeley, Shropshire
Mary Roberts 74 b 1777 Kinnerley, Shropshire visitor widow

Marriages Mar 1854 Howells Sarah Ellis Wolverhampton 6b 549
NO- there is a burial for Sarah Ann Derbyshire age 21 in 1855
interesting middle name - could be mother’s maiden name

findmypast parish bap: Register date range 1829-1841
Archive reference P180/A/2/5; Page 118
Madeley Salop; 1834 apr 27; no 937
Sarah Ellis; parents John & Mary Howels
Coalbrookdale; OCC Carpenter
County Shropshire
Register type Baptism
Register date range 1829-1841
Archive reference P180/A/2/5
Page 118
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England

I think this marriage belongs to the 1841UKC &1851UKC census above - if so, definitely WRONG family
find my past marr 1834 +/-5ys
Sarah Ellis; Last name Howells
Age 20; Birth year 1834
Residence Graiseley ST
Father's name(s) John Howells, carpenter
Marriage year 1854
Marriage date 02 Jan 1854
Marriage place Wolverhampton, St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's name(s) William Derbyshire
Spouse's age 30
Spouse's residence Graiseley St
Spouse's father's name(s) James Derbyshire
County Staffordshire; Country England
Archive reference D3786/1/10
Page 67
Register type Marriage; Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

find my past burial
First name(s) Sarah Ellis
Last name Derbyshire
Birth year 1834; Age 21
Death year 1855
Death date ? ? 1855
Burial year 1855
Burial date 11 Oct 1855
Burial place Shrewsbury, St Mary's
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) William
County Shropshire
Archive refererence P257/J/1/2
Page 92
Register type Burial
Register date range 1850-1856
Record set Shropshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England



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looking for other Howells on the 1841UKC in Madeley with children abt Sarah’s age
then following up with them on the 1851UKC
John Howells 37
Mary Howells 36
Edwin Howells 5
Sarah Howells 1
Edwin Howells
abt 1836 Shropshire, England Madeley, Shropshire
Sarah Howells
abt 1840 Shropshire, England Madeley, Shropshire
--on the 1851UKC
Name: John Howells; Gender: Male; Relation: Head
Age: 47; Estimated birth year: abt 1804
Where born: Barcheston, Shropshire, England
Spouse's Name: Mary A Howells
Civil Parish: Madeley
Town: Madeley; County/Island: Shropshire; Country: England
Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3k
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 1989; Folio: 297; Page Number: 33
Household Members:
John Howells 47
Mary A Howells 46
Edwin Howells 15
Mary A Howells 6
Mary Roberts 74


Henry Howells 33
Sarah Howells 35
Thomas Howells 10
Anne Howells 8
John Howells 6
William Howells 5
Richard Howells 2 Weeks
Anne Howells
abt 1833 Shropshire, England Posenhall, Shropshire
John Howells
abt 1835 Shropshire, England Posenhall, Shropshire
William Howells
abt 1836 Shropshire, England Posenhall, Shropshire
Richard Howells
abt 1841 Shropshire, England Posenhall, Shropshire
--on the 1851UKC
Name: Henry Howells; Gender: Male; Relation: Head
Age: 42; Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Where born: Easthope, Shropshire, England
Spouse's Name: Sarah Howells
Civil Parish: Sutton Maddock
County/Island: Shropshire; Country: England
Registration district: Shiffnal
Sub-registration district: Albrighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 1987; Folio: 56; Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Henry Howells 42
Sarah Howells 42
John Howells 16
William Howells 15


Edwd Howells 45
Anne Howells 45
Rosanna Howells 4
Rosanna Howells
abt 1837 Shropshire, England Madeley, Shropshire
—on the 1851UKC
Name: Edwd Howells; Gender: Male; Relation: Head
Age: 61; Estimated birth year: abt 1790
Where born: Oswestry, Shropshire, England
Spouse's Name: Anne Howells
Civil Parish: Treflach; County/Island:Shropshire; Country: England
Registration district: Oswestry
Sub-registration district: Knockin
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 1993; Folio: 389; Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Edwd Howells 61
Anne Howells 66

****only on the 1841UKC; can’t fint the HOH on the 1851UKC
Jno Howells 30
May Howells 25
Wm Howells 7
Emw Howells 1
Wm Howells
abt 1834 Shropshire, England Little Wenlock, Shropshire
Emw Howells
abt 1840 Shropshire, England Little Wenlock, Shropshire

Mary Howells 45
Maria Howells 30
Edwin Howells 15
Betsey Howells 10
Eliza Howells 5
Thomas Howells 1
Eliza Howells
abt 1836 Shropshire, England Broseley, Shropshire
Thomas Howells
abt 1840 Shropshire, England Broseley, Shropshire

Isack Howells 27
Elizabeth Howells 23
Margret Howells 2
Margret Howells 55
Margret Howells
abt 1839 Shropshire, England Broseley, Shropshire

William Hewill 30
Mary Hewill 30
John Hewill 2
Edward Howells 7 Mo
Edward Howells
abt 1840 Shropshire, England Dawley Magna, Shropshire

Vincent Howells 65
Mary Howells 60
Thomas Howells 30
Mary Howells 20
Adam Howells 20
Harriot Howells 10 Mo
Harriot Howells
abt 1840 Shropshire, England Benthall, Shropshire

Edward Howel 30
Martha Howel 25
Charles Howel 2
William Howel 3 Mo
Charles Howel
abt 1839 Shropshire, England Dawley Magna, Shropshire
William Howel
abt 1841 Shropshire, England Dawley Magna, Shropshire

William Howels 55
Mary Howels 55
George Howels 16
Mary Howels 12
Thomas Howels 7
Thomas Howels
abt 1834 Shropshire, England Little Wenlock, Shropshire

Thos Howell 35
Mary Howell 35
John Howell 11
Emma Howell 7
Ellen Howell 2
Emma Howell
abt 1834 Shropshire, England Dawley Magna, Shropshire
Ellen Howell
abt 1839 Shropshire, England Dawley Magna, Shropshire

****these seem like different names, not just different spelllings
John Hollis 39
John Hollis 7
James Hollis 5
Mary Hollis 35
Mary Hollis 4
Elizabeth Hollis 9
John Hollis
abt 1834 Shropshire, England Much Wenlock, Shropshire
James Hollis
abt 1836 Shropshire, England Much Wenlock, Shropshire
Mary Hollis
abt 1837 Shropshire, England Much Wenlock, Shropshire
Elizabeth Howell
abt 1839 Shropshire, England Much Wenlock, Shropshire

Samuel Holloway 26
Frances Holloway 25
Joseph Holloway 8 Mo
Joseph Holloway
abt 1840 Shropshire, England Stirchley, Shropshire

Edward Holloway 25
Eliza Holloway 20
Sarah Holloway 1
Sarah Holloway
abt 1840 Shropshire, England Dawley Magna, Shropshire